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Aug10
Is Hewlett-Packard Part of the Mafia?

Is Hewlett-Packard part of the Mafia? Can somebody tell me what's up with this firm…? After days of filling out their rebate forms – to be sent to five places – with serial numbers … dates… and hoards of information bits …  for a costly computer sold to me on that rebate promise – I entered hell with HP rebate games. I wrote details in an earlier post, titled Is Hewlett-Packard's Rebate Deal Really a Deal? on June 9th.  At that time respected people told me they too had met hell’s flames with rebate runarounds with these HP guys. Have you heard about rebates that appear to be a Mafia-like-racket? hewlett_packard_logo.jpg

Here’s what happened in a nutshell: In June I bought a
Hewlett-Packard Pavilion desktop, two monitors, a printer and two years extra insurance against glitches…  and I was told at Circuit City that two grand could be reduced by $300 smacks with HP rebates and promotions. So I should be happy… right?  Wrong…. My nightmare made me look at who is getting the real deal here… and you guessed it… Hewlett Packard wins at the expense of its customers … a fat 2/3 of the time.

It just got worse. Today I got their notice that “the purchase date is outside dates of this offer.” Of course it is not –the Circuit City Manager told us we had 30 days to send in rebates – then they helped me through the miles of cutting … finding codes and sending in within 3 days of purchase…. Days of work lost from my small business… headaches to read their poorly written instructions… hours of help from a store’s management to make sure we had it right … and then a refusal letter – to show HP had never planned on rebating.

YEAH CIRCUIT CITY GUARANTEES ALL THEIR REBATES... AND THANKS AGAIN CIRCUIT CITY FOR THE WAY YOU TREAT CUSTOMERS WITH RESPECT!

Is Hewlett-Packard with the Mafia? If so, where’s Eliot Spitzer to check their false ads?

I have stats that show
that rebates are only successfully collected 22% of the time …  What’s up at Hewlett-Packard? And further research shows that companies who give rebates… do so in hopes that buyers don’t get them…. What kind of customer service is this folks?

Have I just become one of the 78% of customers who are paying top CEO salary – and if so what can be done?

Maybe not even the Mafia would have been so brazen with clients. This is the first rebate return of my 5 that had to all go with different information to different spots. Can I expect the refusals with come from all 5? So far this tactic makes Mafia look like the pope … and I hope I am wrong in what this rebate game appears to be after from false ads and malicious intent.

Any wisdom out there – I am at a loss for what to do – and I hope I am wrong and these rebates were reputable -- but feel I cannot ignore this problem… and they leave no person or office to contact.  Any help out there?


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You're off to a great start by broadcasting your discontent here in your blog. Unfortunately, this has been going on for quite some time. Some other options:

-Return everything to Circuit City for a full refund...and communicate you're returning for the rebate issue. If I were you, I would place a new order with either Dell or CDW.

-Email Mark Hurd, CEO of HP. I've been quite displeased with the way HP has executed the past 5-10 years. I'm sure the founders are rolling over in their graves. However, Mr. Hurd seems like a stand-up guy and is definitely turning the company around. Any strong CEO will welcome your inquiry and it wouldn't surprise me if his staff is empowered to make things right.

-Contact your state Attorney General and make a formal complaint. It won't likely result in a rebate payout but at least we'll get this issue on the radar of someone who can fight the fight.

-Spread the word at any number of public complaint sites. Hitting a firm in their wallet or in the public eye is a good way to get some attention.
http://www.complaints.com/
http://www.planetfeedback.com/
http://www.my3cents.com/

Good luck!

Thanks Jeff, I have just begun to see what a huge problem this is for everybody but the business that supports them. So many people tell me they have met the same horrors but figured they cannot win. There is only so much time a small business owner can spend fighting off this unethical practice. Thanks for the ideas -- I plan to follow through on them as are others who tell me they too are ready to speak their minds. Sad that it comes to this though...

Long, but this is how I got my rebate from HP:
I ordered a Compaq laptop computer in the first week of January, 2006. I received the printer and laptop about five days apart; the computer arrived last, Jan. 24, 2006. I gathered and filled out the original paperwork, including the originals of all barcodes, etc. I made copies of everything. I sent the package the second week of February and never received an email to confirm they had the rebate, as the salesperson said they would, or the rebate checks, one for $50, the other for $80. I checked the HPshopping.com rebate system. They had no record of my rebate. I was told 8-10 weeks for a rebate, so it was about week 11 before I made the first phone call to HP. The first time I called, the recording said they were experiencing technical difficulties. I called the number again a few moments later and got a rep. This would have been the near the end of May.

During this first phone call, I was told she had no record of me buying a computer and printer from them. I told them I had purchased the computer on line directly from HPshopping.com with the help of a live representative. She said she had no access to that information because they are “just the rebate center.” She transferred me to another department and this rep told me they did have my purchase information, but I had not given them an email. I told her that, within a week of buying the computer, I changed servers and both emailed and called Hpshopping.com to give them this change. I needed them to put my new address in their system for me to access my account on HPshopping.com. At that point, they told me that my rebate must have been “lost.”

One side note here: I have been monthly receiving coupons in the mail and advertisements through my email address since purchasing the computer. Someone, somewhere, had information that I bought a computer, and that I had given them my correct contact addresses, but apparently not the rebate center.

During this first phone call, I was transferred back to the rebate center. She told me to resubmit the rebate and gave me the address as Compaq/HP, PO Box 42954, Mesa, AZ 85274 and told me to address it as a Resubmit Rebate. The next day, as I was addressing the envelope, I wanted to ask on which line to write the Resubmit Rebate title. I didn’t want to make any mistakes to delay the rebate further. I called the number again and was given this exact same address.

I mailed the rebate again at the end of the week, May 31, but this time, I sent it Certified mail with a return receipt. It cost me $5.12 to do this. I kept checking the online rebate system on HP’s website; they had no record of my rebate. I checked the USPS site to track my mail.

According the USPS tracking site, they attempted to deliver my mail June 3, but the address was “Wrong” and an attempt was being made to “Forward it.” A bit astounded, I called HP again and explained the situation. This time, a very perplexed rep said, “Why would they give you THAT address? We changed that weeks ago.” I explained to her that I had not only been given the address on a Sunday, but on that Monday as well. Two reps, different days, same address. She was at a loss to explain it, other than “It’s recently been changed. You’ll have to submit the rebate again.”

At this point, I lost control. I apologized to this poor rep and said, “I am not going to personally attack you as a human, but I am really angry at the company you work for. First, you lose my rebate. Then, you have no record of my purchase, then I’m told the wrong address, twice. Now you are telling me I have to submit it a third time?” I then asked her, if I bought the computer DIRECTLY from them, why I wasn’t given these rebates at the time of purchase. My credit card went through, they were paid, The delivery of the computer was something I had to sign for and they would have record of: Why wasn’t I given my $130 RIGHT THEN as a credit towards the purchase? I apologized to her, she apologized to me. Then I told her, “I’m off all summer, I’ve got 76 days to call and mess with this, so I’m not going away. I hope the person you are recording this call for is listening to this." Earlier that day, I had Googled “HP/Compaq and rebate and complaint” on line and there are thousands of complaints against them; mostly about rebates. I told her this. She suggested, then, I wait for the second rebate to be forwarded from the address I was given to the address it needed to arrive at. I asked her how long it would take. She said, “About two weeks.” I said, “I got a package sent from Paris, France to Ohio in less time than that.”

I watched the USPS tracking site and my envelope was delivered to Young America, MN, 55558-7004 on June 8. I called again Monday June 12, 2006. This time, the rep asked me for my case number and I told her I had never been given one. I gave her my information and she went from nice to trite in about four seconds. I said, “I’ve called before.” She said, “We log all the calls.” I told her the whole story again, including the part about the last rep suggesting I wait for the mail to be forwarded. Again, I was told, “We have no record of you sending a rebate.” This time, I said, “Really. The United States Post Office says that someone there signed for my rebate package and I’m getting a little slip back with his or her name on it any day now.” She insisted they have nothing and that I resubmit the rebate again and rattled an address off to me. I recognized the zip. I said, “55558. That’s the zip my paperwork was delivered to. She explained the process, made excuses, and told me things I have heard before. Finally, I said, “When, from this point, can I expect my money?” She again said, “I can’t guarantee you anything because I show nothing in my system. I really do suggest you resubmit.” I said, “What’s the address again, please?” In an exasperated tone, she said, “I just gave it to you.” I replied, “I really didn’t think I was going to need it, so I didn’t write it down. If I submit it again, it’s the third time.” She gave me yet a different address: DT01008, HP Award Center, offer #DT01008, PO Box 7004, Young America, MN, 55558-7004. I asked her what would happen from here if I resubmitted and she said in a snotty tone, “Well, you have until October to get your rebate. You have time.” At that point, I made up my mind to report them to the Better Business Bureau whether I got my money or not.

One side note: My offer numbers are CN00206 and BT31A. Where did they get the DT01008? When I put this offer number into HPshopping's rebate search engine, there is none found.

June 19th, 2006: 6:20PM (by this time, I’m keep a careful log of when, where, and who), I called the same number I have been calling. It was experiencing difficulties and I was told to call again later. I called them right back. A menu was given, a rep answered, I was asked for a case number, I told them I’ve never been given one, and he redirected my call right back to the same menu I got when first called. Another rep answered and again took all my information. J--- was very nice. He said to call back in a week because there was no rebate information for me in their system. Okay then. Now it has been 18 weeks.

June 26th, 2006, 2:00PM Called the rebate line. It was busy. I was on hold for about five minutes, a rep answered and took my information. I was again put back to the same menu I got before. Another rep answered, J---, who took my information and told me two checks, one for $50, the other for $80 had been processed just that day. I asked when they would be sent. She said, “Ten days.” I thanked her very much. Meanwhile, for the first time since February, I went on line to the HP rebate center and they have record of my rebates sitting there. Note to self and to all other rebate senders: Go certified mail. Proof is a beautiful thing. The fact that the Post Office is a branch of the Federal Government is even better.

July 7, 2006, two checks from HP arrived in the mail; my rebates, finally. It only took almost seven months, sending it twice, many phone calls, many times being transferred around, and paying for certified mail. I will NEVER buy an HP/Compaq computer again unless the rebate is instantly given to me.
Originally posted by me on 3cents.com

Sherry, I am sorry that this kind of disrespect is passed on to a customer - and I see that rebates were set up to do what they are doing to us and to make large dollars for HP. I am told they count on us just giving up -- because of the process. Ethics needs to be reviewed in the rebate game and I sense it is beginning to happen because of stories likes yours and mine. What a nightmare! It's a pity because I like their product -- but it becomes tainted daily by their policy and this unresolved rebate problem! All the best.

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